STAY THAT WAY!

Pastor John,

I love this (below) that I read on your web site.  Just as I have felt for the first time in my life that I have been washed from my sins, with the baptism of the holy Ghost.  The spirit has told me many things that I need to do, from starting over and to live a life of righteousness, and to STAY THAT WAY!

My dear brothers and sisters, you were perfect with God in the beginning of your walk with Him. To be prepared to meet your heavenly Father in peace, you need not become anything more than you were then because what you were then is what God Himself made you; it was not your work or that of your earthly parents.  You were washed from all your sins by the baptism of the holy Ghost, and you were perfectly clean before God.  You were willing then to be changed, to be molded by God\’s tender hands, humbly willing for others to be right and you to be wrong, and hungry for God’s righteousness.  STAY THAT WAY!  Do not become anything else because everything else is sin. Paul said, “As you have received the Lord Jesus Christ, so walk in him.”  Amen!  This continuation in righteousness is called in the Bible, “faithfulness”, and no one will be saved without it.

Yes once I was willing to totaly surrender and willing to give up everything for him, he blessed me with his gift…

I am not yet skilled on every thing that I need to know, but I know it is to walk with him, as him, a life of righteousness…
God Bless all there.

Terry W

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Revelation Study

Hi Pastor John,

This weekend’s Revelation study was wonderful!  It is astonishing what the Lord is revealing through the study.  For me, it puts a whole new light on who the harlot (Babylon) is that is being talked about in Revelation 17.   I have always pictured it as something the world was doing, separate from God’s real people, not realizing whose fault it really is.

We, God’s people, have always been the reason for the shape that the world is in; no matter what we think, the choices we made in following the ways of God determined how God treated us and everyone around us.  Now, granted, that does not mean that the world would like it and treat us any better if we had always done right, but if God’s people did what was right, at least we would not give the world a reason not to trust God, and we would not be so divided.   Oh, I wish all of God’s people could hear and be a part of the study of Revelation that God has given and is revealing through you, John.  It has changed my whole way of thinking about who we are.  Thank you

Stuart

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Finding Fellowship Follow-up

https://pjhmail.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/finding-fellowship/

Well Sir,
Yes it does sound a little self righteous, and maybe you’re not, but your tone can be miss leading.  I don’t agree with some of your findings, but I do agree that one will speak with tongues when they receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

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Self-righteousness is what we can do for ourselves without the Spirit, such as practice ceremonies and dress up our flesh with religious clothing, and baptize with water, etc.  It is God’s righteousness that will save us if anything does.

Hopefully, my tone in saying that does not come across as ungodly in any way.  Please do not my plain speech with arrogance.  I am just trying to be understood, sir.

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I think some things will not matter such as whether one wears a robes or not.

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No, it doesn’t affect whether or not your heavenly Father, or anyone who truly knows Him, loves you.  But it dishonors Christ, just as other religious ceremonial acts do.  It does this by saying, in works rather than words, that the robes which Christ purchased for us with his blood, the robes of righteousness and praise, are not enough to satisfy us.  It is wiser, and it pleases the Father more, if we honor the Son by letting him put on us all the religious clothing that we need.

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I do believe in sanctification living a holy Life after the example of Christ.

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Amen!  And may God increase our power and knowledge to do that together, for His glory!

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Truth is Judge not that we be not judge Matt 7:1.

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That commandment is no more the truth than is this one:  “Judge righteous judgment” John 7:24.

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It seems that you judge a lot in your teachings.

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I judge every situation and every person I meet every day, and so do you.  The only issue is, do I judge after the flesh and, so, break Jesus’ commandment of Matthew 7:1, or do I judge after the Spirit and, so, keep Jesus’ commandment of John 7:24?

Moreover, if we truly are men of God, then the words we speak are truly from God (Jn. 3:34), and those words judge every person who hears them, just as Jesus’ words did (Jn. 12:48).  They are judging you right now.  You are not judging them.

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I’m not trying to be argumentative,

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Argument is fine.  It’s quarreling that God hates to see His children fall into.

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but when you say all these things are wrong how can one be filled with the Holy Ghost?  And I know for a fact that several people that I fellowship with are filled and have spoke as the spirit give the utterance.  So what I am saying is this, if all these things you say are not the way or what every you call it.  Why do other possess the Holy Ghost and yet enjoy just as you???

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Because we receive the Spirit through faith, not through knowledge.  There is no one who knows God when he first receives the Spirit.  There is no one who knows good from evil (as he should know) when he first receives the Spirit.  That degree of discernment belongs only “to those who are of full age” (Heb. 5:14).

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You say you have truth They say they have truth I think the bible is truth.

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But the Bible says that “the Spirit is truth.”  And that is all that I am trying to get you to understand.  Whatever form of worship is not of the Spirit is in the flesh, and the flesh has no part of worship in this new Covenant.

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When you talk about not practicing the Lord supper Jesus said as oft as you do it do it in remembrance of me  Matt. 26: 26-30 St. Luke 22:16-20, 1Corithians 11:23-26 ( Its not sin to practice and I am not talking about the catholic either)

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I think what he said was “Do THIS [what he was doing] in remembrance of me”, not “Do that [what the disciples were doing] in remembrance of me.  My book, “Spiritual Light would explain this for you in some detail.  You can find it, I believe, at www.GoingtoJesus.com.  The Lord’s Supper was not the eating; that was the disciples supper.  Its the only kind of supper they could have with the Lord because they did not yet have the Spirit.

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Same thing concerning water Baptism when you look at Acts 8: 12-17 this was water baptism before receiving the Holy Ghost and Acts 10: 44-48, 19:1-7 Romans 6:3-8 after receiving the Holy Ghost

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The book would explain all that for you, as well.  But I will say here that Romans 6 has nothing to do with water.  Paul didn’t preach that baptism for the Gentiles.

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Then you talk about Christians according to what I read in Acts 11:26 speaks of the disciples being called Christians first in Antioch how can you say that Christianity is the worlds system?

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But it does not say that the disciples called themselves that, and God never did.  It was a term of ridicule, and Peter told the saints to rejoice if the world labeled them that way.

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The world cannot be Christians the two are contrary one to the other.

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Satan’s most successful lie in history is that if we belong to Christ, then we are a part of Christianity, the religion he invented after the days of the apostles.  That lie has deceived the whole world, including every one of us who have loved Christ.  But Jesus is liberating his people from that blindness.  When he calls to his people to “Come out of her”, he is calling them out of that abomination that they have joined in the flesh, out of ignorance of what is truly right and wrong: Christianity.

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Now I do know that many PROFESS to be Christians and are far from  being Christ like. But we cannot discredit true Christians because of the world or false prophets etc… And start teaching our own opinions.

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Catholicism is the original Christianity, and the daughters of that mother of harlots are the Protestant sects that came after her.  The common foundation for them all is that they all hold that a person can be born of God without receiving the baptism of the holy ghost.  And every man who is teaching that doctrine is antichrist (1Jn. 4:1-4) and is working for Christianity and against Christ, even if he does not yet know it, or want to be.

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I like some of your teachings and think that it could be real powerful in a day that we live, but I don’t think one person know it all.

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Amen.  But if you know anything that will help me, I know I am willing to change.  I have done it many times already, as Jesus has corrected me.

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Nor do I believe that God is only working in your fellowship and the Kentucky Fellowship. God is not that small. He everywhere at the same time.

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I never suggested any such thing.  It is insulting that you suggest that I did.  I know that God is everywhere, and I know He is using many men to bless His people everywhere they are.  But I also know that He is here.  And He has taught me things that, though hard for you to understand, are nonetheless true.  And you would do well to stop resisting these things and take some time to pray about what I am telling you because they came from God.

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Questions: have you ever did a study of where the garments came from?

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Yes.  God started the garment industry in the garden of Eden when he made Adam and Eve some clothes.  (Just kidding.)
Seriously, ministerial vestments and the like were given to Israel’s priests and Levites until the Spirit came.  Since then, God has ordained no such thing for His ministers.

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Or why they wore them in the early day churches?

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No apostle wore such clothing or ever suggested that anyone else should.  Ministers in early Christianity did it because the religious system of Christianity is not of God.   Is it any surprise, then, that ministers in Christianity do things that are not of God?

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Also how do you dilute truth?
Wouldn’t truth be truth or if diluted it wouldn’t be truth?
Just asking !

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You can mingle truth with lies, as Satan did to Eve, and as he is doing now, through ministers who do not know God yet.   I will leave it to you to decide whether or not those who are feeding God’s people tainted meat “thinking to do God a service” are preaching the truth.
Just answering!  🙂

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Be blessed.

Bishop Elect George E. Moore, Sr.

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I hope in the blessing of the Lord, both for me and for you, and for all of God’s divided children.

Your servant,
Pastor John

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Finding Fellowship

 

Please tell me if there is a group of people somewhere in my area that could be fellowship for me.  I live in Gulfport MS on the Gulf Coast.  My spirit tells me that every word I am reading is true.  I have the baptism in the Holy Ghost since 1980 and once attended a oneness church like UPC.  I have always felt most churches just had to be getting some things wrong.  Now, I know why.  Thanks for any help you can let me know about.  I really do miss fellowship but I just can’t attend the mainstream churches anymore.

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Hi Sister E—-.

Thank you for writing!

You have no idea how many emails I have gotten just like yours over the years.  I wish I knew of a place in every town in every country where God’s children are fed the unadulterated truth.  But we rejoice just to hear a voice like yours who can even recognizes the truth when they hear it!  As a result, we have people who drive/fly here from places across the country to be in our meetings and to visit, just to be fed a meal that is not tainted, to experience the glorious fellowship that is in a body as a whole that is walking in the light, and just to be refreshed.  One man even moved his family here from Australia to help us get this message out.  He is the web master of the web site www.goingtoJesus.com.

I have known some ministers who were taught the truth, but they were either afraid to teach it for fear of losing their job, or they refused to believe it.  But as for a group of believers anywhere who are walking together in the light, other than here and in Louisville, KY, I haven’t found one yet.  We will send you some CD’s from our meetings if you would like to hear them, and of course, if you are ever in this area, you are more than welcome to come visit us!

Pastor John

“When a lie becomes the norm, normal people become liars.”

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Pastor John

You are not saying that Louisville, KY is the only place that the truth is being taught are you???

Bishop Elect George E. Moore, Sr.

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Not at all, sir.  Not at all.  Truth can be heard from almost every pulpit on the planet, regardless of the denomination.  What I was talking about was the unadulterated truth.  This includes, but is not limited to:

1)   Every person in a congregation understanding that the baptism of the holy Ghost, with the evidence of speaking in tongues is the new birth — and rejoicing in that knowledge.

2)   No ceremonies are ever practiced, but God is worshiped only in spirit and in truth, as the Lord said.  This includes such ceremonies as water baptism (“There is one baptism”), ceremonial meals (our communion is in the holy Ghost).

3)   No holy days observed, for Christ put the holiness within us, no on a calendar.

4)   No specialized religious garments to set apart one man, or a group of men or women, from others, including choir robes.

5)   An anointed leader guides the congregation, and no titles granted by a religious organization.

6)   Every member renders his tithes to God and his offerings without being begged for it.

7)   No ministers are hired or fired.  The Christian system of hiring and firing ministers is of the world, not God.

Hope this gives you an idea of what I am talking about when I say it is difficult to find a place where the UNADULTERATED truth is taught and enforced.

Do you have such a place where you are?

Pastor John

“When a lie becomes the norm, normal people become liars.”

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President and New Law

 

Bro. Clark,

Share your thoughts or what you feel is going on with our current president and the new law that was just passed?

Bro. Jeff

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Hi Jeff:

I refuse to have any thoughts about it.  It is not the business of the saints as to what sinners of this world do with their countries.  God will destroy both it and them, in His time.  It’s best for God’s children to stay out of political controversies, and we should never take sides with one party against another.  Jesus called king Herod a “fox” one time, and so, we do not have to play dumb.  In Christ, we can judge the character of all men.

President Obama and his underlings have designs on this country that would take it toward a European model of government, but as to what model of government this nation’s rulers choose, that is in God’s hands, and we should stay out of it.  Stay away from the political partisanships of earth.  Those who take up the sword will die by it.

Pastor John

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All that is necessary for evil to [prevail] is [for] good men to do nothing.
Jeff

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I didn’t say do nothing, Jeff.  I said stay out of politics.

Pastor John

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Seven Spirits

Pastor John,

What are the seven spirits of God?

God Bless,
Michelle

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The “seven spirits of God ” are seven creatures who dwell in the very presence of God and are sometimes sent to accomplish the will of God on earth.  Very, very little is ever said about them.  That’s why you cannot trust anyone who claims to have a lot of insight into who they are.  They may be those seven living flames that are before God’s throne, but even that is not certain.

jdc

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Significant Point in US History?

Thanks, Damien.

I don’t understand the theories involved, but I feel sure that something must happen.  What it will be is up to God.  Could it be the Balances being held in the hand of the one riding the Black Horse of Revelation 6?

jdc

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Pastor John

Following is a graph that is not difficult to follow. It shows the change in US GDP (Gross Domestic Product) for each extra dollar of Federal debt incurred since 1966.  I’m no economist but I have learned that each dollar “created” by the Federal Reserve enters the economy as debt against the Federal government.  What the graph shows is that during the last 6 months of 2009 the US economy reached the point where increasing the debt was associated with a shrinkage of the economic output of the country.

In the recent past the US government has worked on the premise that incurring debt and running budget deficits was OK because it grew the economy and thus (in theory possibly) the ability to repay.  I have heard congressman in the last year say “deficits don’t matter”.  Well if this graph holds true and something remarkable does not occur soon then the deficits or “stimulus” spending of “created” money, which is actually more debt incurring interest, will result in continuing and devastating implosion of the US economy.  This years projected deficit of around 1.5 trillion could result in a GDP reduction of 675 billion (~5%) based on the last quarter 2009 figure of -0.45c per $ of debt. Such changes will act to rapidly increase the ratio of debt to GDP towards the levels that small countries in the news of late such as Iceland, Ireland and Greece are facing. If this continues for long at all and the Government continues to increase the debt something will surely have to give.  If the US credit rating drops from AAA interest rate rises could destroy the economy even more rapidly.

Somehow I don’t anticipate this happening just yet. Maybe it will but I really rather wonder that we are going to see something really startling coming up in the next period of history.  In any case this strikes me as a pivotal moment in US history.  The US economy in current form can no longer presently utilize debt effectively at all. More debt is dragging it down as the repayments become too much to bear. At the same time the government is spending big and receiving diminished tax income. You and I can’t budget that way!

Graph from http://economicedge.blogspot.com/

Damien

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Testimony

Dear John… so nice to be “at” the meeting, vicariously at least.  . .wow. .. 

Okay. .. my mind is racing with memories. . . so many things you said tonight, pastor John, reminded me of testimonies. . .ohhh  how true is the voice of God; the WORD of the Lord!!!! . . .I have heard the exact same thing about watching too much TV. . . whether it’s news or filthy sitcoms or cop dramas filled with lewd innuendo, the Lord has demonstrated to me how easily one can be affected (infected) by those diseases.. . you get tainted… if you become too curious. .. and you spend too much time, inadvertently, in front of the TV.

I have thought,
“Oh, I ‘ll just watch this to see if it has any redeeming value”  and it rarely does. . then suddenly you find you’ve spent an hour of your life . . . on rubbish. . . and you have to go take a bath—-in the Holy Ghost!!!   

I have a great testimony of what God did for me one time, when I got too curious:

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It was 1999.  I hadn’t received the Spirit yet, but it was influencing me, often.

The movie, American Beauty, had just won the Oscar for best picture.  It was being hailed by the critics, praised by the artsy movie-lovers, and I thought I’d go see what all the commotion was about.  Was it really a “work of art?”  I was familiar with the subject matter, and therefore had my doubts, but there was that nagging thought:  “Well, I suppose I’d better see it so I can talk about it intelligently with other people.”

Well,. . . . it was a very perverse story line, full of anxiety, and depressing, pathetic, pitiful, sinful characters, typical of this modern world. . . with no redeeming value (even though the public seemed to think the theme was about redemption!  Ha!) . . . and halfway through it I whispered to my friend that I was leaving; I didn’t care to watch anymore.  I actually made the move to get up out of my seat, and the HOLY GHOST spoke to me and said, 
“NO.  You’re going to stay here and watch ALL of this; then you’ll never have to do it again.”  and. . .  “You’ll never have to feel compelled to see a popular movie merely for the sake of discussing it with worldly people.”

(Unbeknownst to me, God was preparing my heart for becoming a called-out , sanctified child of God.)

So I stayed.  I obeyed.   .. . And for a very long time, I had no interest in movies anymore.  I had nothing but contempt and pity for the director who portrayed such a cynical view of America and suburban life, and got artistic accolades for it.  I was sick of Hollywood’s foolishness: rewarding immorality as an artistic achievement.

Then I received the holy ghost in 2002, and my tastes continued to be tempered by the purity of the Spirit.  I’m thankful that God touched me so strongly even before I was born-again.  It was a memorable conviction.

Topic # 2—-

Re:  The beast that you spoke about tonight. . .

Rev 17….”when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”
Did you mean that it is two different beasts, one from the past and a different one to come?  Or the same creature who has taken a temporary vacation?

best regards,

brother Brad

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Hi Brad:

Thanks for that good testimony.

You will hear much more about the Beast in a couple of weeks.  But briefly, I meant the latter — but now, how much of a “vacation” it is for him in the Bottomless Pit is hard to say.

Thanks for writing.  God bless until next time.  Heard you were making plans to come see us in the summer.  Really think you can handle the summertime humidity here?  🙂

jdc

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Brad’s testimony reminded me of a testimony of my own concerning worldly music.  A few years ago I was very much into secular music.  I remember driving home from work listening to some radio station and just felt sick to my stomach suddenly.  At that moment the Spirit spoke to me and said, “This is poison to your soul.”  Basically the Spirit was showing me that when I listened to this music so frequently and had love for it in my heart, it was compromising me spiritually.  I couldn’t be healthy and free in the spirit with those chains keeping me prisoner. You can’t love the world and Jesus.  Just thought I’d share..

Brittany

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Pastor John

These testimonies bring to mind an experience I had recently.

In my teens and onward I developed a love for classical music.  I attended concerts, studied music and so on.  There was a lot I liked but if I had to nominate a favorite it was Beethoven.  Perhaps it had to do with the teenage mind I had.  For the last 20 years or so I have only infrequently listened to any of it.

Recently, I was on Youtube and listened to some classical music videos.  They led me to search and I found a video of a Beethoven symphony.  I wanted Sarah to see what an orchestra looked like.  Anyway I listened to a part of this symphony that contained what is considered some of the most emotional and stirring music the man ever wrote.  It was not a great performance of it, but I was very surprised at my feelings.  It was childish, like a temper tantrum, and it stirred nothing in me except feelings of how pathetic it was.  It was so absolutely nothing to me!  It may not be the poison that some modern music is, but I discerned how immature that man was, how miserable and in need of God he was, and the world still has him on a pedestal.

When we first heard the “Worthy” song, I had some other feelings regarding the song.  Various men have written music to some of those words and they tend to have a certain grandeur and majesty written into the music to evoke feelings.  But that song was straight from heaven where things are, simply and meekly, just what they are.  There was no need for show.  The simplicity was beautiful and glorious.  The feelings were real and needed no staging.  I felt a simple humility in singing the truth about the wonderful Lamb.  God is more than we know but He is humble.  It is unearthly.  In the music we are being given it is always like that.  Just simple truth and sincerity.

Damien

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This was fantastic Damien.  AMEN!   I agree, and my testimony of music loving is very similar.

As for our new song . . .”We worship the lamb. . . so thankful we can. . . ,”  that pretty much says it all.

“The lamb is worthy.” 

Simple.  ’nuff said.

How could Tchaikovsky or Beethoven add anything of substance to that?!

Brad :^)

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2008 Email

John, this morning I was going through some documents, and I found this one, from an email from you in 2008.

It felt so good to my soul, I wanted to type it out and send it back!  Something about it felt like I felt last night, when God’s presence was so sweet to my soul John.  Oh, to live in that place, with those feelings.  I still feel gratefulness this morning.

God’s Spirit is our refreshing.

Gary

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“It is good to be back home after an absence of eleven days.  Late tonight, in prayer in my office, my earnest prayer to God contained more than just my words.  Sometimes God would finish my prayer for me, and at times, I knew God was giving me the prayer to pray at that moment.  I want to share some portions that I can remember of my communion with God tonight, and I ask you to help me to pray these things.  I want to see a move of God’s holy Spirit among His people!
 
Here are some of the thoughts, and some of the words the Lord and I said to one another tonight:
 
The happiest people on earth are those who have done the work they were given to do  They are the people who were prepared at the moment Jesus gave them a task to perform. The happiest people on earth are those who have not missed their opportunities.  
 
The saddest people on earth are those who were unprepared when their moment came.
 
“Lord, deliver me from worldliness.  Deliver me from the things that rob You of my time.  Deliver me from the things that rob me of Your money.  Deliver this body [of saints who meet in my home] from the things that rob You of their praise and that rob them of Your glory.  Let me serve those who are truly seeking you.  Let me know them and love them, and let them love and know these precious sheep here with me.”
 
At one point, I began to pray this prayer:  “Lord, there are things we cannot change…”  Then, the Lord finished the prayer for me, and He said:  “… but things WILL CHANGE with sufficient prayer.”
 
Is there something in your life that you wish you could change?  Then answer this question:  Have you prayed enough about it?
 
Finally, the Spirit helped me pray this prayer:  “Lord, to serve You and Your people is the most precious thing in this world!  The most valuable thing in life is to be of value to Your people!  Lord, give us value!  Dwell among us!”

jdc”

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1Corinthians Complete

http://goingtojesus.com/site/php/translations.php?tname=cora:1:1

Thanks for the hard work on the NT translation!  It is a good feeling to have something to read and know there aren’t any intentional misleading statements.  It kind of funny.  I remember standing on the street corner in Henderson years ago in front of the meeting building and I asked you about translating the Bible.  You answer if my memory is correct was “It would take a lot of faith.”

It’s amazing  I can still picture us standing on the street talking.
Wendell

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It seems as if I can recall that conversation, Wendell.  At the time, I could not see it being done, and without the help I have been given, it could not be done.  God is our strength!!  But please keep praying….there is much that remains to be done.

jdc

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